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I remember one big campaign promise from Barack Obama was he was not going to let go unpunished businesses that sent American jobs overseas. It seems that just 4 short months into his presidency he is breaking that promise with his new play toy Obama Motors aka GM.
GM which is controlled by the White House, reported that it will start importing it's Chinese products to America for sale in our market. Did the UAW just hear that? American cars built in China and sold here in America. But uh-oh didn't Obama give GM to the union? Something isn't right here.
It seems that some Americans have lost jobs with that move. I'll wait a few days and see if the workers start raising a noise. I bet they don't. Ideology is all that counts now on the left. No job, who cares, at least a democrat is in the White House. The true Obama is going to give alot of the people that voted for him a bad taste. Maybe now they will wake up and realize what leftists are all about. It pays to do your own research.
5/19/2009 9:37 PMseven star wrote:
left or right isn't relevant and too many people focus on that and this is why your country is what it is today. As for the UAW, do you think they will sit there and be mute to the fact that GM wants to import Chinese made cars? Restructuring and relocating are two different things and the UAW is not happy about this tidbit one bit. Reply to this
Thank you for visiting The Patriot Journal and leaving your thoughts. I couldn't disagree more with you about the Left vs Right. When you have one side of thought running a political party from the extreme side of that thought there is a huge problem. The problem has been compounded by the extreme Left being in power in our government. President Obama and the extreme Left controlled Congress are trying to undo over 200 years of success with a political ideology that has failed everywhere it has been tried. The nationalization of GM and Chrysler as well as with some major banks is as anti-American as you can get and un-constitutional. The reason I mentioned the UAW is because the UAW and every other union supported Obama with glee. Now they have to explain to their members why they are not going to be able to find them work.
The only way to save the two companies is to have a business friendly environment and be free of the noose of the UAW that has virtually unioned themselves out of jobs. I blame the UAW as well as the state of Michigan that has taxed themselves into the highest unemployment in the country and one of the highest losses of population and jobs in the country. If people would take a logical approach to voting they would never have this problem. Regardless if the government is Republican or Democrat. I guess I get frustrated that very few people pay attention to the past as all of this has happened before.
5/19/2009 10:51 PMseven star wrote:
You see, I agree that Obama has been extreme, but I also see that he is not governing from the "left". What is so extreme left about him? He didn't start the ball rolling on bailing out the banks, he's decimating the auto sector with his weird demands of the working man/woman, he's keeping the military involved in war etc. If we are going to label left or right, I'd say he's both, he hasn't a clear side, he's murky and he's scary. He isn't working out to be the saviour he was portrayed to be. I know the term socialist is like blasphemy to cons but so far he don't seem much of a socialist to me.
The UAW did not cause the collapse of the industry and it is a myth that for some reason keeps getting perpetuated. The foreign companies also have experienced a hit in sales and such and they also do not have huge amounts of retirees with pensions the way the American ones do. Ten years ago, no one cared that the auto worker was making a decent living but now that times are hard, they are expected to take concessions because what they make doesn't gel with the rest of the country and so they must be to blame. It doesn't work that way, and when you have guys at the top who drive a company to losses getting paid millions in bonuses for failure, there is something wrong with that.
They may have supported Obama but they aren't enjoying the taste of their own feet now are they? Want to blame? Blame so called free trade. I live in Canada and I can tell you we haven't benefited much from so called free trade. And now Obama is going to be a protectionist because he knows free trade doesn't work. The seeds of todays happenings were planted long ago, under a conservative government I might add. They were warned then and look where we are today. Reply to this
I can start of by saying there is some of what you say thay I agree with. The blame for the current mess is widespread. The problem I am having is how the government, headed by Barrack Obama, is so closely involved with it and how he is using the current recession to advance and agenda to take power of things that were never intended for the federal government. The problem is too much government.
The balance in the economy and the governments involvement should be like tuning a carburetor too much regulation is like being too lean not enough gas is coming through, too little regulation crimes happen and it is like being too rich and it also does not run well. Monumental changes are not needed. Tweaks are needed. If criminal activity happened, prosecute the perpetrators and make an example but you don't punish the rest of the system for some crooks just like you do not punish all of your kids because one causes trouble. No system if perfect but free market capitalism coupled with a republican democracy has been the perfect set up and the US is the example.
The problem I have with the UAW is the same problem I have with any system that expects cradle to grave nursing. It doesn't work. In Canada you have a socialist style cradle to grave comfort state. The problem with it is that if you want better you are out of luck, the more you produce the more the state takes. It's human nature that if you know the harder and smarter you work will give you more, you will work harder and smarter. If you are going to be taxed more the more you produce you instinctively produce less. Canada is in the unique situation of being a huge country and having vast natural resources to sell and only 35 million people to take care of. But that will not last forever. The US also has vast resources but we have 300 million people to take care of. It will not work here. The US has not been the most successful country ever by collecting government checks. The free market of competition inspires people to invent and research and produce. We just need to tune our engine not overhaul it. And you are right, protectionist policies are bad for both parties, but if I remember correctly most of Canada would have voted for Obama as opposed to McCain. Bush should be one of Canada's heroes, he was a free market anti-protectionist politician if there ever was one. Reply to this
left or right isn't relevant and too many people focus on that and this is why your country is what it is today. As for the UAW, do you think they will sit there and be mute to the fact that GM wants to import Chinese made cars? Restructuring and relocating are two different things and the UAW is not happy about this tidbit one bit.
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Thank you for visiting The Patriot Journal and leaving your thoughts.
I couldn't disagree more with you about the Left vs Right. When you have one side of thought running a political party from the extreme side of that thought there is a huge problem. The problem has been compounded by the extreme Left being in power in our government. President Obama and the extreme Left controlled Congress are trying to undo over 200 years of success with a political ideology that has failed everywhere it has been tried. The nationalization of GM and Chrysler as well as with some major banks is as anti-American as you can get and un-constitutional. The reason I mentioned the UAW is because the UAW and every other union supported Obama with glee. Now they have to explain to their members why they are not going to be able to find them work.
The only way to save the two companies is to have a business friendly environment and be free of the noose of the UAW that has virtually unioned themselves out of jobs. I blame the UAW as well as the state of Michigan that has taxed themselves into the highest unemployment in the country and one of the highest losses of population and jobs in the country. If people would take a logical approach to voting they would never have this problem. Regardless if the government is Republican or Democrat. I guess I get frustrated that very few people pay attention to the past as all of this has happened before.
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You see, I agree that Obama has been extreme, but I also see that he is not governing from the "left". What is so extreme left about him? He didn't start the ball rolling on bailing out the banks, he's decimating the auto sector with his weird demands of the working man/woman, he's keeping the military involved in war etc. If we are going to label left or right, I'd say he's both, he hasn't a clear side, he's murky and he's scary. He isn't working out to be the saviour he was portrayed to be. I know the term socialist is like blasphemy to cons but so far he don't seem much of a socialist to me.
The UAW did not cause the collapse of the industry and it is a myth that for some reason keeps getting perpetuated. The foreign companies also have experienced a hit in sales and such and they also do not have huge amounts of retirees with pensions the way the American ones do. Ten years ago, no one cared that the auto worker was making a decent living but now that times are hard, they are expected to take concessions because what they make doesn't gel with the rest of the country and so they must be to blame. It doesn't work that way, and when you have guys at the top who drive a company to losses getting paid millions in bonuses for failure, there is something wrong with that.
They may have supported Obama but they aren't enjoying the taste of their own feet now are they? Want to blame? Blame so called free trade. I live in Canada and I can tell you we haven't benefited much from so called free trade. And now Obama is going to be a protectionist because he knows free trade doesn't work. The seeds of todays happenings were planted long ago, under a conservative government I might add. They were warned then and look where we are today.
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Thank you again for your comments.
I can start of by saying there is some of what you say thay I agree with. The blame for the current mess is widespread. The problem I am having is how the government, headed by Barrack Obama, is so closely involved with it and how he is using the current recession to advance and agenda to take power of things that were never intended for the federal government. The problem is too much government.
The balance in the economy and the governments involvement should be like tuning a carburetor too much regulation is like being too lean not enough gas is coming through, too little regulation crimes happen and it is like being too rich and it also does not run well. Monumental changes are not needed. Tweaks are needed. If criminal activity happened, prosecute the perpetrators and make an example but you don't punish the rest of the system for some crooks just like you do not punish all of your kids because one causes trouble. No system if perfect but free market capitalism coupled with a republican democracy has been the perfect set up and the US is the example.
The problem I have with the UAW is the same problem I have with any system that expects cradle to grave nursing. It doesn't work. In Canada you have a socialist style cradle to grave comfort state. The problem with it is that if you want better you are out of luck, the more you produce the more the state takes. It's human nature that if you know the harder and smarter you work will give you more, you will work harder and smarter. If you are going to be taxed more the more you produce you instinctively produce less. Canada is in the unique situation of being a huge country and having vast natural resources to sell and only 35 million people to take care of. But that will not last forever. The US also has vast resources but we have 300 million people to take care of. It will not work here. The US has not been the most successful country ever by collecting government checks. The free market of competition inspires people to invent and research and produce. We just need to tune our engine not overhaul it. And you are right, protectionist policies are bad for both parties, but if I remember correctly most of Canada would have voted for Obama as opposed to McCain. Bush should be one of Canada's heroes, he was a free market anti-protectionist politician if there ever was one.
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